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Re: Peace Exhibition @ tHe Spring in Oct
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atomic bomb is a nuclear weapon. As are plutonium and hydrogen bombs.

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Just a thought, and I'm not suggesting anything bad here, but we would only truly appreciate what we had once we lose it. For us to truly appreciate peace, we need to see gruesome images of war, and if we have felt it personally, then would we do all we can to maintain it.

A man who has lived a complacent life will never really appreciate the food on his table, unlike a man who has been through the peaks and troughs of life. As onlookers, we can only watch and observe; we can never truly 'feel.'

And on the culture of violence, we don't need to look far. Rappers sing about 'violence' and 'guns' and whatnot; back in the day, and perhaps to a degree now. 'Military chic' is in, with military pants, camo prints and military-inspired clothing. Gun ownership and shooting ranges are a multi-million dollar business in some parts of the world. That, and the words 'national security' has been thrown about as religiously to the point of absurdness.

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/me nods in agreement.

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The atomic bombs of 1945 pale in comparison to the nuclear bombs today. The contents (or 'ingredients'..haha) may be similar technically, but it's also different. With the advancement of technology and stuff, the nuclear bomb today is much more lethal. One A-bomb flattened one city. One nuclear bomb has the capacity to blow up half the planet. It was found that to destroy the entire planet, it only takes 4 nuclear bombs. So why do we even need 27,000 warheads that are in existence now? And do we need more nuclear-capable nations, or what we have now are horrifying enough?

Today a visitor brought up the idea.. that nations would hesitate to press that button to ignite the nuclear bombs they have. Because that would mean killing themselves too, and that's not what they want. They want power. Authority. So they think with possession of nuclear weapons, they have an advantage over everyone else who don't. Therefore, in order to exercise the authority, they want to be alive to do it. So even though they may threaten to use nuclear weapons, they would still think twice.

Ok, fair enough. Argument noted.

But.

What if the technology falls to the wrong hands? To people who don't care about your lives, and also don't care about their own?? Suicide bombers, who would readily die for a cause they probably don't understand themselves. Those ppl would not hesitate to push the button at all. You die, they die, we all die. YAY.

It's a complex issue at hand, something that ppl have been debating for years. War, peace, violence, non-violence, etc. The world just got even more awful nowadays.

But.

This is talking about having HOPE and the right to voice out our HOPE to live in a non-violent world. Is that too much to ask for? I see skeptics shaking their heads. You are too jaded, folks. It's not too late to re-adjust the idea and act on it.

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wa seems like the exhibition is a success as it's able to invoke people's emotion feedback, non resonace & stuffs.

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In public exhibitions like this, ppl don't have to agree to everything they see. Important thing is the awareness. Maybe some ppl would think against it, while some are for it. Maybe they think this is something that wouldn't happen to them so they don't care, while others may wonder what can they do to contribute to their community. But whether they're against or for the cause, this is something they have seen, and somehow the idea is imprinted in their minds. The public need a bit of mind-stirring / thought-provoking stuff sometimes. We're indeed too complacent.

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[...] that nations would hesitate to press that button to ignite the nuclear bombs they have. Because that would mean killing themselves too, and that's not what they want. They want power. Authority. So they think with possession of nuclear weapons, they have an advantage over everyone else who don't. Therefore, in order to exercise the authority, they want to be alive to do it. So even though they may threaten to use nuclear weapons, they would still think twice.

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But.

What if the technology falls to the wrong hands? To people who don't care about your lives, and also don't care about their own?? Suicide bombers, who would readily die for a cause they probably don't understand themselves. Those ppl would not hesitate to push the button at all. You die, they die, we all die. YAY.


I think your visitor meant Mutually Assured Destruction. Yes, it proves to be a deterrent, and it is a current deterrent and has proven to be effective as history shows. The USA and USSR both had nuclear capabilities but were too reluctant to use it. Pakistan and India are both nuclear powers, though not official, yet it is enough a deterrence to prevent further tensions and outright warfare.

MAD takes into consideration that it is state-actors that hold the weapons, and that they are rational players. Terrorists are non-state actors and enter to further complicate things. State actors need to consider general public opinion and consensus. Non-state actors just do as they please; they are not an actual entity, more like a loose gathering and association, having little to no legal implications.

Both of you are right at the same time, but both put in place differing stances and situations.

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This is talking about having HOPE and the right to voice out our HOPE to live in a non-violent world. Is that too much to ask for? I see skeptics shaking their heads. You are too jaded, folks. It's not too late to re-adjust the idea and act on it.


We can't help but feel jaded. There's talk of peace, of solidarity, but how often has the peace been shattered? Hope is a very frail and fragile thing. Idealists and liberalists cherish it and guard it religiously; cynics and realists see it as just an idea.

There's nothing wrong with hope, just that there is a great divide between achievable hope and hope in utopian dreams.

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The atomic bombs of 1945 pale in comparison to the nuclear bombs today. The contents (or 'ingredients'..haha) may be similar technically, but it's also different. With the advancement of technology and stuff, the nuclear bomb today is much more lethal. One A-bomb flattened one city. One nuclear bomb has the capacity to blow up half the planet. It was found that to destroy the entire planet, it only takes 4 nuclear bombs. So why do we even need 27,000 warheads that are in existence now? And do we need more nuclear-capable nations, or what we have now are horrifying enough?


its called advancement in technology. if according to your theory that atomic bomb PALES in comparison to nuclear bomb cos of its destructive power...therefore its not categorized as a "nuclear bomb".... does that mean a computer in 1948 is not a computer anymore because it does 50 calculations per second and the computers in 2008 does 59,455 million per second? Cos of the SHEER calculative power, the 1948 computer pales in comparison to the 2008 model its no longer categorize as a computer.

I'm just trying to understand why the whole world called the A BOMB nuclear and your saying its not nuclear.

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heh wsvery impress wif the exhibition hehe..fuyu the next time i go there i wont squint my eyes again ahahahah..nice seeing u there tho

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Well the important thing is that we had dialogue. Haha. And that's one of the things about it isn't it? At least even if I share some differences of opinion with the exhibit, I expressed it in a civil manner.

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